Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Banknotes issued by Joint Stock Banks prior to 1929
Post Reply
User avatar
ThePloughman
EF
EF
Posts: 160
Joined: 04 Nov 2016 16:37

Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by ThePloughman » 10 Feb 2018 18:38

Some of the earlier Bank of Ireland notes seem to be only available as Contemporary Forgeries, like this £1 note from 1821.
Have the genuine examples been cataloged?
bank-of-ireland-1-pound-1821-contemporary-forgery.jpg
bank-of-ireland-1-pound-1821-contemporary-forgery.jpg (24.64 KiB) Viewed 1186 times

User avatar
Mac
Taoiseach • Admin
Taoiseach • Admin
Posts: 845
Joined: 23 Jan 2015 15:05

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by Mac » 12 Feb 2018 15:21

There is at least one Genuine example of this design that I know of (dated 9 Oct 1819), and a couple of contemporary forgeries which have been 'adjusted' to appear genuine—these are easy enough to spot if you get a good look at them, although they have both been 'graded' and encased by one of the grading companies.

User avatar
ThePloughman
EF
EF
Posts: 160
Joined: 04 Nov 2016 16:37

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by ThePloughman » 02 Apr 2018 22:26

Here's a nice grade 30 Shilling note forgery from 1812, in 2 halves, but still a nice example.
bank-of-ireland-30-shilling-1816-forgery.jpg
bank-of-ireland-30-shilling-1816-forgery.jpg (37.45 KiB) Viewed 1043 times
And an example of a later note with a modified design.
bank-of-ireland-30-shilling-1835-forgery.jpg
bank-of-ireland-30-shilling-1835-forgery.jpg (32.89 KiB) Viewed 1043 times
Even as forgeries they are quite nice examples.

User avatar
DOC
EF
EF
Posts: 130
Joined: 26 Jan 2015 18:15

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by DOC » 15 Apr 2018 19:49

Yes, the early Bank of Ireland forgeries are in many cases faithful to the original design and as such are highly collectable. I attach a scan of a slightly different variant of the 30 Shillings note. The main difference to the 1816 example is in the bottom right hand corner where 1.10.0 replaces thirty.

User avatar
DOC
EF
EF
Posts: 130
Joined: 26 Jan 2015 18:15

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by DOC » 15 Apr 2018 19:52

And now with attachment !
B2-BoI-30-Shillings-Forgery-5th-April-1820.jpg
B2-BoI-30-Shillings-Forgery-5th-April-1820.jpg (32.38 KiB) Viewed 936 times

User avatar
Mac
Taoiseach • Admin
Taoiseach • Admin
Posts: 845
Joined: 23 Jan 2015 15:05

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by Mac » 16 Apr 2018 18:01

The change to 1.10.0 on the bottom is an interesting little detail.
This is what adds variety for the collector!

User avatar
DOC
EF
EF
Posts: 130
Joined: 26 Jan 2015 18:15

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by DOC » 16 Apr 2018 20:21

Another interesting little detail is the appearance of the denomination in the scrolling border from about 1820. This may have been added as a security feature?
BoI-30-Shillings-Forgery-5th-April-1820-Border.jpg
BoI-30-Shillings-Forgery-5th-April-1820-Border.jpg (26.55 KiB) Viewed 907 times

User avatar
Mac
Taoiseach • Admin
Taoiseach • Admin
Posts: 845
Joined: 23 Jan 2015 15:05

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by Mac » 19 Apr 2018 13:56

The design of the notes became considerably more advanced with the introduction of this series.
I have noticed that on some of the forgeries the border region is thicker than on genuine notes of the period, perhaps reflecting some difficulty on the part of the forgers in matching the detail.


EDIT: Here are enlargements of the bottom section of two genuine notes, illustrating the addition of the denomination in words:
boi1y1817-bottom.jpg
boi1y1817-bottom.jpg (7.8 KiB) Viewed 907 times
£1 1817
boi1y1821-bottom.jpg
boi1y1821-bottom.jpg (7.18 KiB) Viewed 907 times
£1 1821

User avatar
DOC
EF
EF
Posts: 130
Joined: 26 Jan 2015 18:15

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by DOC » 19 Apr 2018 20:12

Very interesting. It amazes me how quickly the forgers reacted to changes in design even if not managing to completely duplicate the design.

User avatar
DOC
EF
EF
Posts: 130
Joined: 26 Jan 2015 18:15

Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post by DOC » 21 Apr 2018 15:27

Here are some early Bank of Ireland guinea denominations overprinted as forgeries.
BoI-1-Guinea-24th-Dec.1800-Forgery.jpg
BoI-1-Guinea-24th-Dec.1800-Forgery.jpg (33.22 KiB) Viewed 889 times
BoI-1-&-Half-Guineas-18th-Jan.1804-Forgery.jpg
BoI-1-&-Half-Guineas-18th-Jan.1804-Forgery.jpg (38.41 KiB) Viewed 889 times

Post Reply