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Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Banknotes issued by Joint Stock Banks prior to 1929
ThePloughman
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Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#1 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:38 pm

Some of the earlier Bank of Ireland notes seem to be only available as Contemporary Forgeries, like this £1 note from 1821.
Have the genuine examples been cataloged?

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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#2 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:21 pm

There is at least one Genuine example of this design that I know of (dated 9 Oct 1819), and a couple of contemporary forgeries which have been 'adjusted' to appear genuine—these are easy enough to spot if you get a good look at them, although they have both been 'graded' and encased by one of the grading companies.



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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#3 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:26 pm

Here's a nice grade 30 Shilling note forgery from 1812, in 2 halves, but still a nice example.

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And an example of a later note with a modified design.

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Even as forgeries they are quite nice examples.



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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#4 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:49 pm

Yes, the early Bank of Ireland forgeries are in many cases faithful to the original design and as such are highly collectable. I attach a scan of a slightly different variant of the 30 Shillings note. The main difference to the 1816 example is in the bottom right hand corner where 1.10.0 replaces thirty.



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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#5 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:52 pm

And now with attachment !

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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#6 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:01 pm

The change to 1.10.0 on the bottom is an interesting little detail.
This is what adds variety for the collector!



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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#7 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:21 pm

Another interesting little detail is the appearance of the denomination in the scrolling border from about 1820. This may have been added as a security feature?

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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#8 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:56 pm

The design of the notes became considerably more advanced with the introduction of this series.
I have noticed that on some of the forgeries the border region is thicker than on genuine notes of the period, perhaps reflecting some difficulty on the part of the forgers in matching the detail.


EDIT: Here are enlargements of the bottom section of two genuine notes, illustrating the addition of the denomination in words:

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£1 1817

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£1 1821



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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#9 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:12 pm

Very interesting. It amazes me how quickly the forgers reacted to changes in design even if not managing to completely duplicate the design.



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Re: Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

Post#10 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:27 pm

Here are some early Bank of Ireland guinea denominations overprinted as forgeries.

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