Can anyone identify early Dublin bank logo?

Banknotes issued by Irish Private Banks ca1700–ca1833
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Can anyone identify early Dublin bank logo?

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Hi, I'm new to the forum so apologies if this is covering old ground. Can anyone help to identify the logo on this note? (See attached image) I believe it to be an early private bank in Dublin c. 1780. Thanks, Dave.
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Welcome to the forum. All ground is potentially new when it comes to the Private banks!
It would help in identification if more of the banknote was pictured.
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Apologies, I can post a full photo later. The note dates from 1780 and is signed by Thomas Needham, lower right hand corner is torn away. I'm not sure what it is, it seems to be a receipt for money received/lodged to a private bank.
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Apologies for taking so long to upload this, here is the full note.

'Received from Arthur McGuire Esq. Six hundred eighteen pounds seven shillings six pence'. Dated 26 June 1780 and signed by Thomas Needham. Any thoughts / comments welcome.
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Yes, the image depicts a receipt rather than a banknote. Such items provide useful information about the private banks and usually have the partners’ names listed. It is likely that the section which is torn away had the signature of one of the partners.

Here is an example of a receipt issued by William Riall & Co. of Clonmel. The receipt lists the partners and is signed by Arthur Riall, one of the partners.
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Thanks very much for your reply. I suspected that was why the corner was torn away, presumably to stop it being reused or something? Any thoughts on what bank this might have been? Could the DC on the logo stand for Dawson Coates? I know Thomas Needham was a partner in private banks a little later than this receipt. I have others of the same design and logo signed by Robert Egan instead of Thomas Needham, another partner in the same bank perhaps?
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Tearing away the signature was a common cancellation device at the time, particularly for banknotes. I agree with your proposal that DC on the logo stands for Dawson Coates and aligns with an overview of the bank outlined in Paper Money of Ireland (2nd Edition) where John Dawson Coates is listed as the sole partner of the bank from 1779-1793. It appears that he signed the receipt you posted as the initial ‘J’ is still visible. Thomas Needham and Robert Egan do not appear to have been partners and were most likely cashiers in the bank.

Paper Money of Ireland mentions a surviving £20 banknote of the bank from 1770. It would be nice to see other examples of the bank’s notes come to light !
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