Early Bank of Ireland Contemporary Forgeries

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Some of the earlier Bank of Ireland notes seem to be only available as Contemporary Forgeries, like this £1 note from 1821.
Have the genuine examples been cataloged?
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There is at least one Genuine example of this design that I know of (dated 9 Oct 1819), and a couple of contemporary forgeries which have been 'adjusted' to appear genuine—these are easy enough to spot if you get a good look at them, although they have both been 'graded' and encased by one of the grading companies.
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Here's a nice grade 30 Shilling note forgery from 1812, in 2 halves, but still a nice example.
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And an example of a later note with a modified design.
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Even as forgeries they are quite nice examples.
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Yes, the early Bank of Ireland forgeries are in many cases faithful to the original design and as such are highly collectable. I attach a scan of a slightly different variant of the 30 Shillings note. The main difference to the 1816 example is in the bottom right hand corner where 1.10.0 replaces thirty.
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And now with attachment !
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The change to 1.10.0 on the bottom is an interesting little detail.
This is what adds variety for the collector!
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Another interesting little detail is the appearance of the denomination in the scrolling border from about 1820. This may have been added as a security feature?
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The design of the notes became considerably more advanced with the introduction of this series.
I have noticed that on some of the forgeries the border region is thicker than on genuine notes of the period, perhaps reflecting some difficulty on the part of the forgers in matching the detail.


EDIT: Here are enlargements of the bottom section of two genuine notes, illustrating the addition of the denomination in words:
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£1 1817
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Very interesting. It amazes me how quickly the forgers reacted to changes in design even if not managing to completely duplicate the design.
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Here are some early Bank of Ireland guinea denominations overprinted as forgeries.
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Early forgeries provide an insight into the bank note designs of the time. Here is a Bank of Ireland £1 contemporary forgery from 1835.
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Here is a Bank of Ireland Five Pound contemporary forgery from the same era. Quite a nice example, and intact, though very definitely identified by the bank as a forgery, considering the number of times it has been stamped with 'Forgery'!
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That is a nice example and seldom seen, even as a forgery !
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Even the Bank of Ireland archive is missing an example of this exact type of £5 note!
With a date in 1838, it is a very late for the design, with the new design of two statues and a row of Mercury heads being introduced in 1838.
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Interesting to see the 1838 date which is likely to correspond to the date of a genuine example. There is an example on the Irishpapermoney Website of a £20 note issued in 1862 with the pre-1838 design which suggests that old note stock was used up well after 1838 for the higher denomination notes.

https://www.irishpapermoney.com/old-iri ... ies-C.html
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The Bank of Ireland experienced issues with forgers altering the value of £1 notes to higher denominations. An interesting example of an 1843 Bank of Ireland £1 note altered to £5 is shown on the Irishpapermoney site (link attached). Here is an interesting article from 1848 describing the altering of Bank of Ireland notes from £1 to £10.

https://www.irishpapermoney.com/special ... -1930.html
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A pity there is no illustration of an altered note.
I guess that £10 notes may have been very common in circulation, and as a result not too familiar to the public. there ar econsiderable differences in design between One and Ten Pound notes of the era.

There is an 1845 £1 note, from the Bank of ireland archive, pictured below, which is illustrated along with other denominations of the era. Unfortunately, a £10 note is not known of that era.

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However, one example of a Ten Pound note is known from a little later, 1861, which is a later Type with several branches added, but possibly of a broadly similar design to the 1848 Ten Pound notes. The 1861 note is pictured along with several other denominations of the same Type. All are from the Bank of Ireland archive.

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I have always wondered about the positioning of the wavy design element in the centre of the 1861 £10 note. It seems to clutter the design. Could it possibly have been added to the design after the 1848 forgery problems in order to make the £10 notes stand out more? We need to see more tenners of this era!
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It is interesting to see that Bank of Ireland introduced the wavy security protector in the 1850’s most likely to prevent the alteration of lower denomination notes to higher denominations. I agree that the positioning of the security protector in the middle of the note on the 1861 £10 looks odd and it was eventually moved to a lower position. It would be great to see more examples of £10 notes from the 1840’s to the 1880’s to track the these design changes !
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Here is an interesting forgery of a Bank of Ireland £1 from 1808 which appeared at Noonans British and Irish Banknotes Auction this week. The quality of the forgery is reasonably good and there was much interest with a final hammer price exceeding the top estimate.
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Quite a good forgery. Bank of Ireland notes of this era are seldom seen in any form.
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